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Q: 2023/24 Hopes & aspirations for this season
a. As Champions of Europe there's no reason we shouldn't be pushing for a top 7 spot & a run in the Cups
24%
  
b. Last season was a trophy winning one and there's only one way to go after that, I expect a dull mid table bore fest of a season
17%
  
c. Buy some f***ing players or we're in a battle to stay up & that's as good as it gets
18%
  
d. Moyes out
37%
  
e. New season you say, woohoo time to get the new kit and wear it it to the pub for all the big games, the wags down there call me Mr West Ham
3%
  



Sven Roeder 11:25 Sat Sep 5
Wayne Rooney
In all likelihood Rooney will become England's greatest international goalscorer today with some easy fish to shoot in the San Marino barrel.
He has 48 goals in 105 games and the rest of the top 5 are Sir Bobby Charlton 49 in 106, Gary Lineker 48 in 80, Jimmy Greaves 44 in 57 & Michael Owen 40 in 89.

He appears a DIVISIVE figure for some reason.
Perhaps because his international goals include 2 vs Brazil & 1 against each of Holland, Argentina & Uruguay.

The rest are against
5 Croatia
4 San Marino Slovenia
3 Kazakhstan Switzerland
2 Belarus Bulgaria Denmark Estonia Iceland Montenegro Poland Scotland Slovakia
1 Ecuador Liechtenstein Lithuania Norway Russia Ukraine

Where do you rank him amongst that top 5?

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Russ of the BML 12:44 Mon Sep 14
Re: Wayne Rooney
Sven Roeder 9:57 Thu Sep 10

Good article, that.

Sven Roeder 9:57 Thu Sep 10
Re: Wayne Rooney
An article from Eurosport by Jim White (the journalist not the Sky bloke with the yellow tie) that I think sums up Rooney quite well .....

The real reason Wayne Rooney never fulfilled his true potential

Wayne Rooney deserves the current wave of praise, says Jim White. But why has old team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo left him lagging behind?


Anyone whose only exposure to Wayne Rooney was watching him terrorise Croatia’s defence in the 2004 Euros will wonder only one thing about his breaking the record as England’s leading goal scorer: what took him so long?

Boy, was Rooney good back then. He had arrived fully formed into the Everton team as a 15 year old, a man child, his football brain as mature as his physique. At 18, an age when most footballers are still learning their craft, he was already unstoppable, tearing holes in the Croatian back line, his skill matched only by his audacity.

Just check out those goals he scored in Portugal that summer on YouTube. The power, the precision, the excellence: no wonder seasoned observers were predicting this could be the greatest English footballer of all time, a genuine world class talent, someone who could dominate the game for a generation.

No wonder then-England manager Sven Goran Erkisson looked so distraught when Rooney succumbed to injury in the quarter final: he knew his chance of glory had just departed the scene. No wonder Alex Ferguson had his pen poised above the cheque book, ready to make the lad the priciest teenager in history. This was something extraordinary.

Eleven years on, extraordinary is not a term often used in connection with Rooney. Watching him labour against Swansea City in his last league outing was to see a player apparently fighting against chronology. Slow in his reactions, reduced in his acceleration, his power and physicality on the wane, at 29, he looked past it.

That his record for England came through a couple of penalties struck against bang average opponents was instructive. It was a mark as much of longevity as brilliance. Hugely significant, hugely laudable, hugely deserved. But in the end, no indicator of genius.
If you had made comparison between Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo, a man who is almost his exact contemporary, in the autumn of 2004 few would have predicted their relative reputation now. Back then, both had recently been signed by Manchester United. But Rooney already looked streets ahead.

After recovering from a metatarsal injury sustained at the Euros, he scored a hat-trick on his European debut. This was a player leading the line at 18, a player to be trusted, a player ready. Ronaldo, meanwhile, took until December to score his first goal for the club, the third in a walkover win. He was a work in progress, an apprentice, at times an exasperating student.

Spin forward a decade, and it is Ronaldo who is now the undisputed great, the goal machine, the contender for every serious award. And it is Rooney who is labouring, his achievements – even his outstanding international goal haul - forever shrouded in caveats, someone no longer on anyone’s shortlist for the world’s best.

Of course he is a fantastic player, a generous colleague, a fine leader, a team man happy to play wherever on the field he is required. But the world great it was once assumed he would become? That is a distinction that can only plausibly be accorded to his one-time team-mate.

So what happened to Rooney? What was it that dulled that edge? That prevented him from becoming the genuine unimpeachable historical figure so many assumed he would?

Yes there were injuries. But in truth, they were not of the debilitating, speed-sapping, career-defining nature. Snapped metatarsals recover. He suffered none of the kind of devastations that transformed Michael Owen, Fernando Torres and Radamel Falcao from world beaters to hobbling also-rans.
Yes, there was a more lackadaisical approach to training. While Ronaldo was an obsessive, spending every last second in the narcissistic pursuit of the perfect physique, forever working on his technique, Rooney was always more relaxed.

For sure he was no Mario Balotelli: when he trained he did it properly. But he was more than happy with his ability, preferring to spend his down time indulging computer games rather than honing his abs or practising his free-kicks.

And while rumours of his private life have always been wildly exaggerated, there is no question when he returned for pre-season training the United medical team frequently found evidence of indulgence. While Ronaldo would allow nothing anywhere near his body that might reduce his capability, like any sane and sensible young man Rooney liked a burger. And a beer. Plus the occasional cigarette.

As he himself has admitted, he did things that were not entirely conducive to achieving excellence. Heading off to Las Vegas while under suspension ahead of Euro 2012 was not the brightest of moves. Ronaldo would have certainly steered clear of any hint of jet lag, keeping himself primed and ready, Rooney just thought what the hell. He now regrets the trip and says if he had his time again, he would have stayed in the gym. Ronaldo would simply never have done it in the first place.

But ultimately that is peripheral stuff. For sure, Rooney was never an eager devotee of the Dave Brailsford approach of accumulation of marginal gains. But it wasn’t his off-season refuelling habits that stalled his progress to the pinnacle.

If you want a clue as to the issue with Rooney, it comes from Sir Alex Ferguson’s attitude to him. Ferguson loved Rooney, loved his fearsome nature, his bravery, his willingness to adapt. But Ferguson is also the shrewdest judge of a player, a manager ruthless in his disposal at the moment he feels a peak has been passed.

And he had diagnosed that Rooney was beyond his best as long ago as 2012. He was easing the player out of the first team, not picking him for big games, ultimately letting him know he could leave the club. If Ferguson had not himself retired in the spring of 2013, Rooney would have been let go that summer.

Because what Ferguson recognised is the ultimate issue with Rooney: he has lived to a different beat of time. At 15 he was a fully formed adult, at 19 he was at his peak, by 27 Ferguson reckoned he was already well over the hill.
You can see it in the way he moves, in the swell of his hips, in the lack of acceleration. As he has aged, Ronaldo, in possession of a different body type, has been able to match physique to experience. As he gets older, Rooney knows precisely what to do. The trouble is his body is no longer as capable of doing it, nor is his mind necessarily determined to carry it out.

That he is still at United and leading the line for England is as much to do with the lack of alternative as it is a mark of his excellence.

Plus, he is a great guy to have in a dressing room, an encouraging, willing, proper team player. Someone delighted to pass on his own experience to those coming through. Even when that experience is negative: don’t do what I did.

Rooney deserves his record this week. It is a mark of his achievement, an inarguable historical statement. That he is not the undisputed great he once threatened to become cannot alter the fact he has surpassed one of the English game’s most notable landmarks. His name is in the record books, with a mark that will now take some beating.

Sven Roeder 8:58 Thu Sep 10
Re: Wayne Rooney
A Hoover ...... or a granny with her teeth out snoring & gurgling

Either is good

Scraper 8:48 Thu Sep 10
Re: Wayne Rooney

Is it true dat he can't sleep wivout a hoover running in his bedroom?

If so, does anyone here know if it's a hoover for that purpose only or if he uses the one used for hoovering? The latter tend to smell a little odd.

I'd like to try it, see.

Scraper 8:48 Thu Sep 10
Re: Wayne Rooney

Is it true dat he can't sleep wivout a hoover running in his bedroom?

If so, does anyone here know if it's a hoover for that purpose only or if he uses the one used for hoovering? The latter tend to smell a little odd.

I'd like to try it, see.

Scraper 8:47 Thu Sep 10
Re: Wayne Rooney

Is it true dat he can't sleep wivout a hoover running in his bedroom?

If so, does anyone here know if it's a hoover for that purpose only or if he uses the one used for hoovering? The latter tend to smell a little odd.

I'd like to try it, see.

Marston Hammer 8:49 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
Plus 32 of them were in friendlies and even full internationals were played at a snail's pace.

kylay 8:47 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
something you have to consider with regard to charlton is that he scored those goals when you were offside if you were level with the defender, you didn't get penalties for shrieking like a small child whilst clutching your face, and defenders were still permitted to tackle.

TeVaz 8:35 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
Russ .... I'm glad someone said it . I'm sure there's not a single person who would say Rooney is the best English centre forward ever , but he is , and probably will be for many years to come Englands top EVER goal scorer . And don't forget , he will probably play for England for another 5/6/7 years . And will end his career as Man Uniteds top EVER goalscorer . Not bad for a player many describe as bang average !

Russ of the BML 6:12 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
threesixty 4:19 Wed Sep 9

NO. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ROONEY BEING THE GREATEST GOAL SCORER EVER!!!!

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ROONEY BEING SCORING THE MOST GOALS FOR ENGLAND!!!!

IT'S NOT A COMPARISON. IT'S JUST A FACT!!!!

Fuck me.

threesixty 4:19 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
Greaves scored 44 in 57 and we are talking about Rooney being the greatest goal scorer ever?

I'm not great at maths but wtf?

Far Cough 4:13 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
Bobby Charlton
49 England goals from midfield
World Cup winner
Survived Munich plane crash
Won lifetime achievement award in 2008
First English player to play in 4 World Cups

Wayne Rooney
50 England goals
Still fat
Got knocked out by his mate
Shagged a granny

stewie griffin 4:09 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
Northern Sold 4:03 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney

Hahahahaha

Marston Hammer 4:06 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
Northern Sold 4:03 Wed Sep 9

Might be better off using sock puppets

Trevor B 4:03 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
Stats are useful as long as they are interpreted in the right way and answers the question you are asking. If the question is who is the to goalscorer for England then Rooney currently is the all time highest goalscorer, that is a fact that cannot be disputed. Does that make him the best forward though? Personally I think it's hard to compare players from different eras, simply because football has changed so much. I would imagine that the gulf between naturally talented top players of their time 40+ years ago and your average top flight player was wider than it is now, purely because of the increased professionalism. You could argue that many England forwards have scored goals against better opposition, in final competitions, and Rooney may have scored more in qualifiers and friendlies, the same as you could argue that a reserve team player's goals aren't always a guide to how he could perform in the first team, as the quality of opposition is less and the games often have less meaning and the teams less strong.

I think personally, out of England forwards that I have seen then I'd much rather have Lineker or Shearer up front as a striker, Rooney for me is more of a withdrawn striker/attacking midfielder.

Northern Sold 4:03 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
It's not all about counting beans P son... hard for you accountants to see through that obviously... bit like this equation... Carlton COLE is West Ham United 16th all time leading goal scorer... are you honestly saying that Carlton COLE is the 16th Bestest player ever for WHUFC?? I'll write a Cobol program to explain it....

Steve P 3:46 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
The way I see it, Sold0 son, is all wrong.

The bloke who scores the most goals, isn't the best, apparently. I'm going to need to work on this a bit more.

Northern Sold 3:43 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
Give it a rest P son... this was a grown up's conversation before you joined in...

Steve P 3:29 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
People that haven't achieved something someone else has achieved, are better?

Let me think about that for a bit . . .

i-Ron 3:28 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
Rooney has never played strictly as a striker. It's a little unfair to compare him to poachers and players who play off the shoulder.

Although he has been picked to play as a forward, he's never really stuck to it, and likes to fall further back.

It's a magnificent achievement.

But yeah, I'd probably rather Shearer up front and staying up front.

Marston Hammer 3:27 Wed Sep 9
Re: Wayne Rooney
fwiw i'd have rooney behind shearer, lineker, owen as goalscorers (charlton was a bit before my time) but rooney is the better all round player imo out of the 4.

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